Comments on: Old Testament…Relevent? http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/ I might be crazy and abrasive but Jesus still loves me! Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:07:59 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Melissa http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/#comment-12 Melissa Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:46:14 +0000 #comment-12 I agree that we don't need to live by the OT law any more. However, I still think it's quite relevant. The point of the law was that we can't do it. We are not able to live that perfect, holy, life, and follow every letter of the law. That's why we need Christ - He did. Looking at the law - what God requires - is our light bulb that we can't get to God on our own. That's why the Israelites kept winding up in captivity. Great post. Melissa I agree that we don’t need to live by the OT law any more. However, I still think it’s quite relevant. The point of the law was that we can’t do it. We are not able to live that perfect, holy, life, and follow every letter of the law. That’s why we need Christ – He did. Looking at the law – what God requires – is our light bulb that we can’t get to God on our own. That’s why the Israelites kept winding up in captivity.
Great post.
Melissa

]]> By: Thinking Ape http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/#comment-11 Thinking Ape Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:30:33 +0000 #comment-11 Pluckymama, I don't think anyone will hate you for not wanting to argue for the sake of argument or for any other similar reason. The most important part of discussions, I find, are the questions asked, not the answers given. Pluckymama, I don’t think anyone will hate you for not wanting to argue for the sake of argument or for any other similar reason. The most important part of discussions, I find, are the questions asked, not the answers given.

]]> By: pluckymama http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/#comment-10 pluckymama Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:59:34 +0000 #comment-10 Thinking Ape. Bring it on!! I'm not really here to debate, I just love hearing other people's perspectives. You got me thinking and that's great. I guess people might hate me because I'm not up for an argument with someone who'll never change their minds anyway...then you're just arguing for the fun of it...which I'm not into. Thinking Ape. Bring it on!! I’m not really here to debate, I just love hearing other people’s perspectives. You got me thinking and that’s great. I guess people might hate me because I’m not up for an argument with someone who’ll never change their minds anyway…then you’re just arguing for the fun of it…which I’m not into.

]]> By: Thinking Ape http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/#comment-9 Thinking Ape Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:50:11 +0000 #comment-9 Sorry for the double post, delete the first one (I fixed the link in the second). Sorry for the double post, delete the first one (I fixed the link in the second).

]]> By: Thinking Ape http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/#comment-8 Thinking Ape Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:49:44 +0000 #comment-8 The problem with that particular position on the Old Testament, as you are probably well aware, is that it is supported by one author of the Christian scriptures, Paul, but no one else. It is not supported by the author of the Gospels (and hence Jesus), nor the author of James, nor the author of Revelation (and Hebrews is just a mish-mash of theology that no one ever reads). The question is, do you not care for the relevancy of the Tanakh because it infringes on your life, or because you have sincere theological reasoning to do so. <blockquote>Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.</blockquote> Anybody who says that Jesus is being sarcastic is being dishonest. Anyway, I am glad you have started this new blog, but just a warning with this sort of blog on wordpress: you will get every crazy from all spectrums of the spiritual line, from atheist to fundamentalist to Christian spiritualist. Don't bother yourself too much with people who don't make any sense, including myself - everyone makes sense in their own mind. Just expect lots of debate if this is the sort of topic you are writing on. Personally, I wouldn't look much to the "New Testament" for morality either. <a href="http://de-conversion.com/2007/11/20/the-myth-of-bible-based-family-values/" rel="nofollow">The Myth of Bible-based Family Values</a> <a href="http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/06/a-very-brief-introduction-to-gods-law/" rel="nofollow">Perfecting God's "Perfect" Law?</a> The problem with that particular position on the Old Testament, as you are probably well aware, is that it is supported by one author of the Christian scriptures, Paul, but no one else. It is not supported by the author of the Gospels (and hence Jesus), nor the author of James, nor the author of Revelation (and Hebrews is just a mish-mash of theology that no one ever reads).

The question is, do you not care for the relevancy of the Tanakh because it infringes on your life, or because you have sincere theological reasoning to do so.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Anybody who says that Jesus is being sarcastic is being dishonest.

Anyway, I am glad you have started this new blog, but just a warning with this sort of blog on wordpress: you will get every crazy from all spectrums of the spiritual line, from atheist to fundamentalist to Christian spiritualist. Don’t bother yourself too much with people who don’t make any sense, including myself – everyone makes sense in their own mind. Just expect lots of debate if this is the sort of topic you are writing on.

Personally, I wouldn’t look much to the “New Testament” for morality either.
The Myth of Bible-based Family Values
Perfecting God’s “Perfect” Law?

]]> By: Thinking Ape http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/#comment-7 Thinking Ape Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:48:10 +0000 #comment-7 The problem with that particular position on the Old Testament, as you are probably well aware, is that it is supported by one author of the Christian scriptures, Paul, but no one else. It is not supported by the author of the Gospels (and hence Jesus), nor the author of James, nor the author of Revelation (and Hebrews is just a mish-mash of theology that no one ever reads). The question is, do you not care for the relevancy of the Tanakh because it infringes on your life, or because you have sincere theological reasoning to do so. <blockquote>Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.</blockquote> Anybody who says that Jesus is being sarcastic is being dishonest. Anyway, I am glad you have started this new blog, but just a warning with this sort of blog on wordpress: you will get every crazy from all spectrums of the spiritual line, from atheist to fundamentalist to Christian spiritualist. Don't bother yourself too much with people who don't make any sense, including myself - everyone makes sense in their own mind. Just expect lots of debate if this is the sort of topic you are writing on. Personally, I wouldn't look much to the "New Testament" for morality either. <a>The Myth of Bible-based Family Values</a> <a href="http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/06/a-very-brief-introduction-to-gods-law/" rel="nofollow">Perfecting God's "Perfect" Law?</a> The problem with that particular position on the Old Testament, as you are probably well aware, is that it is supported by one author of the Christian scriptures, Paul, but no one else. It is not supported by the author of the Gospels (and hence Jesus), nor the author of James, nor the author of Revelation (and Hebrews is just a mish-mash of theology that no one ever reads).

The question is, do you not care for the relevancy of the Tanakh because it infringes on your life, or because you have sincere theological reasoning to do so.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Anybody who says that Jesus is being sarcastic is being dishonest.

Anyway, I am glad you have started this new blog, but just a warning with this sort of blog on wordpress: you will get every crazy from all spectrums of the spiritual line, from atheist to fundamentalist to Christian spiritualist. Don’t bother yourself too much with people who don’t make any sense, including myself – everyone makes sense in their own mind. Just expect lots of debate if this is the sort of topic you are writing on.

Personally, I wouldn’t look much to the “New Testament” for morality either.
The Myth of Bible-based Family Values
Perfecting God’s “Perfect” Law?

]]> By: pluckymama http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/#comment-6 pluckymama Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:18:35 +0000 #comment-6 Very interesting. Thank you for your comments. So interesting what I just learned from your post is more than I've learned about Jewish beliefs my entire life. Rather shocking actually, we're told differently about the Jewish religion in church...go figure. Feel very welcome to post your opinions because I love hearing different sides to the story. Mommy has Tattoos- I'm in the Bible belt too...I live in Mennonite central...heck, I'm even sporting a menno last name and have little half mennos running around my house!! ha ha. Very interesting. Thank you for your comments. So interesting what I just learned from your post is more than I’ve learned about Jewish beliefs my entire life. Rather shocking actually, we’re told differently about the Jewish religion in church…go figure.

Feel very welcome to post your opinions because I love hearing different sides to the story.

Mommy has Tattoos- I’m in the Bible belt too…I live in Mennonite central…heck, I’m even sporting a menno last name and have little half mennos running around my house!! ha ha.

]]> By: justmakingitup http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/#comment-5 justmakingitup Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:23:18 +0000 #comment-5 Actually, you sacrificed a couple of the tastiest bits and ate the rest, on a day-to-day basis. But for big occasions, you picked your nicest animal and sacrificed the whole thing. No eating it afterward. I get your point - for Christians it is out with the old, in with the new. It really bugs me that a lot of Christians cherry pick what they want from the OT, (which I will now call the Torah, as that is what it is to me). So no more with the kosher food because Jesus said you don't have to follow old laws. But even though as far as I can tell Jesus said absolutely nothing bad about gay people, since Leviticus says something, then it is still bad. Either go with the Torah or don't. I do have one little quibble, which is that there are things like the 10 commandments in the Torah and I think following those does more than just keep you healthy. One could argue they are the basis of the morality of Western civilization. And one of Jesus's biggies - do unto others that which you would have done unto you - is in fact the central tenant of the Torah, not something he made up anew. Oh, and in Jewish belief, you are also already perfect and have nothing to prove. But if you follow the laws (not the 'kill a goat' ones but the ones like 'give 10% of your income to charity' then the world we be a better place to live in.) Or don't. Your choice. In Judaism, there is no hell. The laws are not about proving yourself. They are about making the world a better place for everyone to live in. Actually, you sacrificed a couple of the tastiest bits and ate the rest, on a day-to-day basis. But for big occasions, you picked your nicest animal and sacrificed the whole thing. No eating it afterward.

I get your point – for Christians it is out with the old, in with the new. It really bugs me that a lot of Christians cherry pick what they want from the OT, (which I will now call the Torah, as that is what it is to me). So no more with the kosher food because Jesus said you don’t have to follow old laws. But even though as far as I can tell Jesus said absolutely nothing bad about gay people, since Leviticus says something, then it is still bad. Either go with the Torah or don’t.

I do have one little quibble, which is that there are things like the 10 commandments in the Torah and I think following those does more than just keep you healthy. One could argue they are the basis of the morality of Western civilization. And one of Jesus’s biggies – do unto others that which you would have done unto you – is in fact the central tenant of the Torah, not something he made up anew.

Oh, and in Jewish belief, you are also already perfect and have nothing to prove. But if you follow the laws (not the ‘kill a goat’ ones but the ones like ‘give 10% of your income to charity’ then the world we be a better place to live in.) Or don’t. Your choice. In Judaism, there is no hell. The laws are not about proving yourself. They are about making the world a better place for everyone to live in.

]]> By: pluckymama http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/#comment-4 pluckymama Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:44:34 +0000 #comment-4 actually...wasn't it forbidden to eat meat from a sacrificed animal?? actually…wasn’t it forbidden to eat meat from a sacrificed animal??

]]> By: Courtenay http://pluckychristian.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/hello-world/#comment-3 Courtenay Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:18:48 +0000 #comment-3 "we’re not going to get together and sacrifice a cow" actually we do, do that. It's called a BBQ. and we even say grace before it! “we’re not going to get together and sacrifice a cow”

actually we do, do that. It’s called a BBQ. and we even say grace before it!

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